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Switch to semesters causing ticket tussle

moore.1732@osu.edu

Published: Wednesday, March 3, 2010

Updated: Wednesday, March 3, 2010 20:03

The switch to semesters in 2012 has students, faculty and staff, alumni and the Athletic Department grappling over football tickets.

On Tuesday, the Athletic Council, a subcommittee of the University Senate, discussed competing proposals on how best to allocate tickets starting with the 2012 season.

After the switch, the autumn term will begin much earlier, meaning students will be on campus for more football games, and they want more tickets set aside for these games.

Alumni want to keep at least the number of tickets they have now, but want them more spread out throughout the season. Under the plan now, most alumni tickets are concentrated in the early games.

Faculty and staff generally want to preserve their current share of seats.

The Athletic Department just wants to make sure it doesn't lose money by allocating more cheap tickets for students.

"Reallocation is a zero-sum game," said Karen Mancl, a professor of food, agricultural and biological engineering and the chair of the Finance and Facilities subcommittee.

Changes in the number of tickets for one group affect every group, as well as the amount of money generated, she said.

In January, student representatives on the Athletic Council, with the input of student government leaders, presented a proposal to the subcommittee that would give students more tickets for the early non-conference games. The tickets would add 20,000 to the total number of student tickets by taking them away from the faculty and staff category.

Last week, the students sent a letter to President E. Gordon Gee, director of athletics Gene Smith and chair of the Athletic Council Sharon West.

The letter bemoaned the lack of a discussion about "an equitable distribution" of tickets.

"Rather, those constituencies with a voting majority have managed to advance proposals without rationalizing how the distribution fits with our committee's charge," the letter said.

Students on the council said the subcommittee has not put forward detailed proposals, only charts and graphs that do not explain the rationale for shifting tickets.

"The biggest concern is that the proposals are not proposals. They're charts proposed by faculty members," said Micah Kamrass, a third-year student member of the Athletic Council.

Meghan Slanina, a professional veterinary medicine student and the vice president of the Inter-Professional Council, said the proposal and the letter gave students a voice in the discussions.

"This is how we think the process should go. We want to see things written down. We want to see people come to the table and have a discussion," Slanina said.

The subcommittee has discussed six options but has not decided on any.

Under the student plan, student tickets for the Big 10 games would stay the same at 30,000 available student tickets per game. But they want to increase the tickets for early non-conference games from 5,000 to 15,000.

"We think it's really important when [students] get to campus to immerse themselves in the game-day experience," Slanina said.

However, greater numbers of discounted student tickets would likely lead to a deficit of at least $240,000, said Peter Koltak, a fourth-year in journalism and a student representative on the council, who is also a Lantern reporter.

To make up for that gap, the students have proposed that the spouses of faculty, staff and married students be required to pay full price for their tickets. Currently, those tickets are subsidized.

Holly Cush, who represents the Alumni Association on the Athletic Council, said alumni would like their tickets to be spread out across the football season.

To make more tickets available for alumni, the Alumni Association has proposed ending full season ticket packages for faculty and staff in favor of splits only.

According to the Finance and Facilities subcommittee, 70 percent of faculty and staff tickets are upgraded. Faculty and staff can re-sell their tickets if they pay the ticket office the difference between a reduced faculty rate and full price.

"There is some thought that maybe not everybody who's getting the tickets through those channel are really using them," Cush said.

In addition, there is some confusion as to who is considered faculty and staff.

It turns out that retirees are included in that category, and according to a report by Mancl, 23 percent of faculty and staff tickets are purchased by the retired.

Faculty and staff, students and alumni agree that reallocating football tickets is difficult.

The urgency to quickly develop proposals led to "a lack of a shared goal," Mancl said, and each group has advocated for their own interests.

But Kamrass said the faculty members of the council had "so far not been willing to compromise."

Of all six proposals discussed by the committee, none would shift tickets away from faculty and staff.

One of the proposals suggested student tickets be divided between full season and a split season.

Mancl said this proposal, Option B, attempted to meet the needs of all groups the best, but that it would require "creative" ticket packaging in order to not lose money.

Slanina said students were not happy about this proposal, in part because they want to keep at least 30,000 student seats at Big Ten games.

"As you can see, this is an ongoing process," said Sharon West, chair of the Athletic Council, before tabling the discussion.

The subcommittee will continue to discuss the proposals on March 15 before the full Athletic Council votes, which could be as early as April 6. 

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17 comments

Anonymous
Tue Mar 16 2010 10:24
Make some games more expensive than others. Currently the price is the same for Youngstown State and M*chigan. I oppose an overall raise in ticket prices. The ticket and gameday experience is already expensive enough! Or, if they are just looking to make up $250,000, get some big donors and put in luxury box seats that will be named after the donor for the year.
pldrake MCRP '74
Thu Mar 11 2010 18:05
I agree with anonymous and as an alum who only occasionally gets to a game, appreciates seeing both sides of this issue. Students come first at any college athletic event in my mind. Faculty and staff don't need a discount, not that all staff or even all faculty are that well-paid.

Back in my day at grad school at OSU (1972-4), we vied for basketball tickets. The price I could afford on my grad-assistant income and we got tickets to half of the games, including defeating Indiana at our home when that team was ranked #1. Later I interviewed for a city planning position in Indianapolis and that victory came up -- knowing basketball helped me win an offer for that job.

If students ... and others ... aren't going to the basketball games, something needs to change. Perhaps that's the price! St John's Arena was always packed (hence the offer of only 1/2 the games per season ticket holder, and by the way the split was done quite fairly both years I was there).

Current student
Tue Mar 9 2010 22:40
What if there was an option to only buy a few games a year, rather than all of them? I sold 3 of my 5 tickets last year. It was awesome to be at the Iowa game to clinch the Rose Bowl (on my birthday, no less), but that's about all the live football I need for one year.
Anonymous
Sun Mar 7 2010 08:26
First, the student below should know that your tuition does not even come close to paying what it costs to run the university. And none of your tuition money goes to run the football program. There is no perfect system and LOTS of supposed rabid football fan students sell their tickets every game - I know because I have bought some over the years. In fact, the bigger the game the more likely students are to sell because they can make 150-200 per ticket.

I think most alums just want the chance to go to one game per year - for many of us its a highlight of the year and our one chance to connect back with the university. I am not sure why a faculty member's spouse should even be eligible for a ticket, much less a reduced price one.

Student/alum/faculty tix are all money losers for OSU even at full face value. That's because the bulk of seats - and almost all of the good ones - go to big donors. If you want to get (bad) season tickets it will cost you a minimum of $1,100 per year before paying the full price for the ticket. Parking is extra. Don't like sitting on the 5 yard line? That will cost you much more to improve. In effect, your typical OSU supporter is paying about $150-200 a seat whether its Michigan or Youngstown State. In effect, OSU has had a seat license system for many years.

Anonymous
Fri Mar 5 2010 15:52
Please explain why retirees are allowed to get tickets, again?
Anonymous
Fri Mar 5 2010 09:13
I am a OSU alumni. I had my turn at going to the games. This shouldn't even be a discussion. STUDENTS should be getting their share first and foremost. What does infuriate me though is the tickets that end up in lawmaker hands..
Anonymous
Fri Mar 5 2010 01:12
Did it occur to anyone that the other team does get a few tickets? Expanding the stadium, who pays for that? Nice comment that tuition pays for the whole university so students should get all the tickets. Not reality.
Stephen
Thu Mar 4 2010 18:42
Here's the big problem: Tickets are regularly purchased by people who get them from some form of the allocation, with no intention of ever using them. I say the ticket prices should be raised to reflect their current value on the secondary market, and then anyone who receives a subsidized ticket should be the only person allowed to use it. Students, faculty, and alumni who sell feel entitled to a ticket that they plan to scalp are the problem. My solution raises more revenue, and would ensure that the people who get an "entitlement" ticket actually intend to use it. It's no wonder that when you ration the tickets at below market, people who don't care about football artificially raise the demand and force out those who legitimately want to go.
Anonymous
Thu Mar 4 2010 17:34
Matt L, I agree wholeheartedly with your last two sentences about President Gee's comment on basketball. I think that President Gee took a cheap shot at the students! He's so two-faced!
Matt L
Thu Mar 4 2010 12:26
I agree with Ken that this figure does not reflect the whole ticket picture.

The figure indicates that under the current ticket allocation students receive more than 60% of the tickets for Big Ten games. And, the article states that students receive 30,000 tickets for Big Ten games. That would mean only 50,000 tickets are distributed for these games. We all know the Shoe seats over 100,000. Therefore over half the tickets are not represented in this figure. Where are these tickets going?

Also, I don't like how Dr. Gee attributes poor basketball attendance to the students. I have been to many basketball games this year, and the "rich people" sections have been as empty as the student sections.

Anonymous
Thu Mar 4 2010 12:12
The Faculty/Staff tickets are only slightly subsidized. The discout is about 10-15 percent of the face value. I don't think faculty/staff would object to buying the tickets at face value, as most of them are already doing it. And currently faculty/staff indeed are required to show ID if the tickets are bought at discount.

This is a zero sum game, as the article mentions. There is no pleasant solution. Perhaps it is time to think about stadium expansion again.

AnonymousAlumnus
Thu Mar 4 2010 12:04
This is all well and good, but what people fail to see is that students are the only reason that the university exists. Any student who wants to go see a football game at the university that their tuition dollars are allowing to exist should be able to do so at an affordable price. Alumni, faculty, and staff should realize this, as the alumni were once students, and the faculty and staff only have jobs because of the students.

The only fair solution is to make student tickets available FIRST - to ALL students, for every game - for a window of time. Then allow faculty and staff to purchase MARGINALLY discounted tickets on a "use it or lose it" basis, which would NOT allow them to be resold. After both of those windows, release any remaining tickets to the general public at whatever price the market will bear.

With the reduction in the number of faculty/staff tickets sold (due to inability to resell), a decrease in the discount of those tickets that are sold, and the subsequent increase in tickets sold to the general public, I would bet a paycheck that once the numbers were calculated, there would be a negligible difference in the amount of money coming in.

Ken
Thu Mar 4 2010 10:48
What I don't see addressed anywhere in this article is where the remaining tickets are going. If students are getting 30,000 tickets for Big Ten games (which according to the graph is over 60% of the tickets being discussed) that means staff and the Alumni tickets make up roughly another 20,000 tickets. Given the seating of the stadium, where are the other 40,000 plus tickets going? How many are going to the President's Club, Athletics dept staff, donors, etc.?
Anonymous
Thu Mar 4 2010 08:58
When I was a student, I really had no interest in football so I didn't buy tickets. My freshman year was the year of the 2002 National Championship. My family and friends (who did not attend the University, so you could maybe understand why I never went to the games) gave me hell for not buying the tickets to sell them. But to me, if you are getting student rates on something, it is your obligation to use them. The same with faculty and staff tickets. If you don't plan on going to the games, just don't buy the tickets - you are taking them away from people who really want to go!
Marcia
Thu Mar 4 2010 07:36
I'm all for the split season for faculty/staff. As a 14 year employee, I've been shut out for the last 3 years because my points are not enough. There needs to be a way so that the same people are not getting the tickets all the time. And they are probably the ones who upgrade so that they can resell for a profit. That should not be allowed, especially at the expense of other staff who want them. Also, I agree - the students should be first but they need to show up!
Anonymous
Thu Mar 4 2010 04:39
Faculty should not be able to sell their tickets - period. They should show ID to get into the game, much as students.
Students should come first. I was a student 60-64, and I cannot imagine not being able to attend an athletic event. I love to come once per year, but not at the expense of the student body. The athlsetic council should have thought this through before they committed $300,000,000.00 for a facility that was paid for many years ago.
Now they are just money grubbers.
Faculty and staff are well paid. They do not deserve subsidized tickets and surely not the option to sell the tickets!
Bill Curtis
Anonymous
Wed Mar 3 2010 22:44
This was an amazing article - capturing the difficulties associated with any changes, while also capturing the many differing opinions. Well done! I am glad to see this article - this is student news at its best! And btw... put students first!






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